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Bill-v-geraldo: Lessons Learned

April 9, 2007 / by nobullthinker


I expect that by now we’ve all seen the blow up that took place on FOX News last week between Bill O’Reilly and Geraldo Rivera. Almost as important as the story they were arguing over were the things that were revealed about the two men.

The story that caused the eruption had to do with the terrible tragedy of the lives of two young women lost to a drunken, illegal alien driver. Bill took the position that:

A. The man should not have been in this country because he was here illegally. That makes the story a ‘border enforcement issue’.
B. The man had broken other U.S. laws in the past and should have been deported except for the bizarre Leftist concept called ‘Sanctuary’ for illegal aliens. That makes it a Leftist issue, too.

Geraldo took the position that the issue had nothing to do with the fact that the man was an illegal alien and that the issue was strictly drunk driving.

Since all three points are, in fact, relevant to the case it must be granted that the winner of the argument was Bill – hands down. Geraldo lost on the grounds that he attempted to limit the cause of these women’s deaths to the single issue of drunk driving. O’Reilly’s position was that the most important of the three issues was that the man should not have been in this country in the first place. He is correct in his argument for a reason stated by Geraldo himself. He said that the people are killed every day by drunk drivers and the only reason this is a ‘news story’ at all is because the man is Mexican.

With that statement Geraldo played the race card. In fact he played the first of two race cards that he would eventually throw down in this argument.

Geraldo is a closet racist. That should be no secret to anyone who’s followed his career with an open mind. But he’s a racist of the new Left breed. Leftist style racism was created over the course of the last few decades as a response to the ages old traditional racism most of us are familiar with. It is an overreaction to the extent that it is every bit as virulent a form of racism as any ever practiced. Its insidious nature lies in its ability to blind a person to his own racist positions as he attacks anyone around him who he judges to be a racist. I believe that what ticked O’Reilly off was his instinctive reaction to the sense that Rivera was accusing him of racism using that tactic.

And he surly was accusing O’Reilly of racism. He was implying that the only reason Bill was making this into a news story was because the killer was a brown man. Twenty years ago there was no such race as the “Brown Race”. This is strictly an invention of the race fixated Left. Brown Man is code for illegal alien. It transforms people who oppose invasion of our borders from the south into racists. It gives bigots on the Left the authority to label others as racists. It cedes the moral high ground to the purveyors of low expectations.

The first race card played by Geraldo was of the type so common that it hardly stirs a reaction in most of us; credit Bill for catching it and not standing for it. But when Geraldo threw down that second card the man totally exposed his racist/Leftist identity. He actually had the incredible audacity to say (to paraphrase), ‘The USA lures poor Hispanics here with the temptation of riches and good jobs.’

Can you imagine? He dares to suggest that we Americans have spent more than two centuries building a model civilization for the sole purpose of tempting poor Hispanics to come here and violate its laws! This kind of rationale is the mainstay of Leftist thinking. It is blatant justification based on self-righteousness born of an overdeveloped sense of empathy. It is an empty argument in defense of a racist position. Don’t blame the poor oppressed brown man – blame Americans.

I’ve heard some of the shallower people among FOX’s competitors belittle the televised argument as a put up job for ratings. I don’t think so. I don’t believe Geraldo would have intentionally scripted his position in words that so obviate his racist temperament. I expect that in the not too distant future he will be sitting in for regular interviews with Chris and Keith.





10 comments on Bill-v-geraldo: Lessons Learned

  • benedicts said 1 years ago
    O'Reilly's argument was the worst. If the driver had been a seventh generation son of a DAR mom and was drunk the gals would still have been banged up (or dead ... did you say?). If being illegal were the cause, then every illegal cabbie in NY would be having wrecks every time they got under the wheel. Of course, drunk driving alone was probably insufficient as a proximate cause, since there were probably 100,000 drunks driving that night and surely not all of them had fatal accidents. If on the other hand, the accident happened because the driver couldn't read English and somehow a a sign written in English were involved, then his inability to read might have been used as a contributing factor. I would suggest to you -- all in good fun -- that O'Reilly was his usual bullish self and that Geraldo was drunk. But I missed their performance so don't know for sure.
  • nobullthinker said 1 years ago
    You are muddling the relationship of cause and effect - a subject you are thoroughly versed in. Of course if the man had never been born the ladies would still be alive as well. Cause and effect in a single case only amounts to a testamonial. It is the fact that statistics in abundance reveal an overwhelming trend that makes O'Reilly's case.
  • benedicts said 1 years ago
    Lets see, we've got several statistical groups here

    1) illegal alien cabbies (drunk)

    2) local cabbies (drunk)

    3) Illegal cabbies (sober)

    4) local cabbies (sober)

    5) sober cabbies

    6) drunk cabbies

    And you're saying that (3) out numbers (6)

    I suggest that drunkenness figures into far more accidents than the nationality of the driver.

    I could be wrong ... but O'Reilly and Gerardo are both mush mouths (first class)
  • nobullthinker said 1 years ago
    True enough but little more relevant than who manufactured the vehicles involved. We're begining to move too far from relevance as this discussion progresses.
  • benedicts said 1 years ago
    What would you cionsider relevant? Clicked on O'Reilly briefly lst nite. He was on the immigrant kick. Trying to steal that CNN freak's schtick. Old whatsisname.
  • docrock said 1 years ago
    Your analysis of the conflict is well done. O does at times come off as bullish, but I side with him as a traditional.
  • centurion said 1 years ago
    The cause-in-fact was the driving behavior that presumably made the accident unavoidable. Drunkenness of driver may have been the proximate cause of that driving behavior or a contributing cause. Either or both of the above are sufficient to afix civil for the deaths caused and criminal liability for the violation of the drunk driving statute. The illegal status of the driver is sufficient to afix criminal liability for violation of immigration law. While it's true the chain of causation would have been broken if he had been deported before the accident, it's too remote to have been an efficient cause of the accident, nearly as remote as, say, if his grandfather had been hung for a horsethief before producing children. Bill and Geraldo both had salient points, but neither made them cogently. My bottom lines: discover and deport all aliens and jail the people who knowingly abetted their illegal immigration and/or hired them; and jail drunk driver citizens.
  • nobullthinker said 1 years ago
    Good points. In a criminal court of law the drunk should be found guity of several crimes related to the accident. He should also be tried for border violations in a separate trial. In a civil trial he would certainly lose if sued for damages. But the real point of the argument is whether or not crime and violence would be lessened by the enforcement of our border laws.Geraldo implied that the percentages would not be effected. That is not true.

    You may not think the debators expressed themselves very well but under the restraints of programming they unloaded a lot of material to digest (and I don't mean digested material).

    It is only with the greatest hesitation that I support the notion that our border laws should be enforced by businesses. This stinking government is shirking its responsibility in this matter. It abdicates its duties to business in tax collecting and makes them the villain. It is in the process of villainizing business for failure to enforce border laws. This responsibility is not and should not be dumped on them. The government is destroying the free market system that made this country great.
  • centurion said 1 years ago
    "It is only with the greatest hesitation that I support the notion that our border laws should be enforced by businesses." I share your hesitation. I certainly don't want to transfer the government's reponsibility for immigration enforcement to them. But we all know there are some unscrupulous employers who knowingly employ illegals, and they should be prosecuted. If an illegal produces a forged social security card or other documents, you can't find the employer at fault.
  • politicalpiddle said 1 years ago
    Completly fasinating the way it lead to a Yelling match on national TV. Jerry Springer's ratings took a nose dive after that episode aired. LOL. Come to think of it. Americans spend too much time in chat world bickering over what went on at American Idol rather than forming a group to take back the American Government. They should be so proud when we get totally invaded by Islamofasists. And people post on other web forums that they think I'm joking when I suggest you liberal women better start shopping for burkas.

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