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Mitt? Why Not

November 30, 2007 / by nobullthinker

As long as Mitt Romney remains in the Presidential race you can be sure of hearing this question time and time again: Will traditional Christians vote for a Mormon for President? What you will not hear is an in depth analysis of why a traditional Christian would be reluctant to cast a vote for a Mormon in the first place.

Although I no longer consider myself a Christian I’d like to offer my opinion on that subject. But a few things need to be put in perspective first. To begin with I absolutely would vote for Romney based on what I presently know of him. Secondly I would not let Mormonisn stand as a factor in my decision to vote for any candidate to any political position. I am well aware of the nutty origins of the Faith but I do not hold that to be a reflection on its present day practitioners. I admit that I have difficulty separating the Mormon man from Mormonism, the religion. But the fact that his religion is a bit wacky does not mean that an individual of that faith is himself wacky. If that were true we’d all be hard pressed to defend some of our own beliefs.

Now the primary reason most Christians give for their aversion to Mormonism is that it is a cult. Technically it is a cult. All religions are cults by definition. Look up the words ‘religion’ and ‘cult’ in most any dictionary and you will find that they both have the same definition: ‘…a set of religious beliefs’. We all sense, however, that these definitions are lacking. We know that when we use the word ‘cult’ we are talking about something darker than religion; something weird, freaky, possibly even dangerous. And because cults come in so many varieties no one has quite been able to define exactly what makes religion in its many varieties different from cults in all of their various forms.

The difference is simple and dictionary definitions ought to be amended to reflect the reality of the new distinction in common usage today:

A religion is a set of beliefs with fixed doctrine.

A cult is a set of beliefs that are plastic.

Religions and cults are both fantasy worlds. The difference in them is that when we enter a religious fantasy world we know where the boundaries are so that we may step into and out of that world at any time we choose. A cult, on the other hand, does not have these boundaries. When we enter one of these worlds we are in danger of becoming lost or, if we are following a cult leader, we are in danger of being led into dark places from which there is no return. Danger (adventure) is actually one of the main attractions of a cult.

In its beginnings Mormonism had all of the worst characteristics of a cult. But its plastic nature has largely cooled and hardened itself with a relatively fixed doctrine. It still has prophets, of course, who can refine or redefine some of that doctrine but all in all it is no longer proper to think of Mormonism as a cult. If you’d care to examine the fluid nature of a modern cult these days none is larger or more plastic than the cult of global warming. If you’d care to examine a religion that is devolving back into a cultic state you only have to look at Islam to see that many of its leaders are taking their followers into dark and boundless mazes. They are putting aside fixed doctrine and making it up as they go along.

Ordinary Christians are not aware of the definitional distinction between a religion and a cult. What concerns them is the contradictions between what they believe and what Mormons believe. The most appalling and offensive thing about Mormonism to a Christian is not its approval of polygamy as is commonly believed. The far, far greater offense to Christian minds is the audacity of Mormons to have written their own Bible and claimed it to be an extension of the ‘real’ Bible. (Every Jew must be thinking at this point, ‘What goes around comes around.’)

Making this sacrilege even more repulsive is the incomprehensible legend of how the Book of Mormon was written. It seems that a ne’er-do-well farmer by the name of Joseph Smith came wandering out of the woods one day in the early 1800,s claiming that he had met an angel there who had shown him some golden plates on which were written a new testament of the Bible. As crazy as that might seem there were some people who believed his story. Naturally these few demanded that Joseph go back and fetch those plates so that they could see them too.

So he did!

Actually the story gets a little strange here. Murky, too. We don’t know if anyone ever saw those plates again. Instead when Smith came back out of the woods he was carrying a couple of ‘seer stones’. When he put these magic stones in his hat and put his face into the hat the words of the Book of Mormon began to suddenly appear. By this process he was able to dictate the entire book to chosen scribes.

Right.

You can see why it is maddening to ordinary Christians that anyone could believe such tripe for an instant. It is understandable, too, that rational people do not trust the mental reliability of anyone who could be taken in by this nonsense. And I confess, though I’m sure you’ve guessed already, that it drives me nuts to know that Mormonism is the fastest growing form of Christianity on the market today. (Sorry Glenn, but blood is squirting out of my eyes right now.)

Personally I do not believe people should be judged too strictly by their religious beliefs so long as those beliefs have solid doctrines based on tolerance and social responsibility. Modern Mormonism now fits that description so I have to fight my tendency to judge the intellect of its fellowship by standards of reality. I have to remind myself that fantasy is a human need that has nothing to do with either reality or intelligence. All of us are entitled to satisfy our need to escape reality by whatever peaceable means we chose. That includes Mitt Romney. It can even include liberals even though most of their ‘religions’ are better defined as cults since their beliefs will not or cannot be solidified into fixed doctrines.

I have given you some of the stated or overt reasons that traditional Christians are repulsed by Mormonism – even denying that it is a sect of Christianity at all. There is, however, an underlying reason as well. One that is in the subconscious minds of all Christians who are familiar with the beliefs and/or origins of Mormonism. And that is that Mormonism demands that every person of faith; no matter what faith he may subscribe to, must consider the rationality of what he believes. Anyone who looks into Mormonism and finds himself shaking his head in astonishment at its transparency, wondering how anyone could possibly believe in its miracles and magic, is going to be tempted to question the fantastic nature of his own beliefs. In questioning Mormonism one is drawn to see the chinks in the armor of his own faith.

Deep within the Christian mind Mormonism is a madhouse mirror that reflects all the distortions that faith is capable of.

Never-the-less, Mormonism is as valid as any religion on earth. One can step into and out of it at will just like any other doctrinal faith. Sure I’d vote for Romney. It’s none of my business what he does on Sunday.

17 comments on Mitt? Why Not

  • bumpedoff3 said 7 months ago
    Mitt Romney is a sadistic monster. He is a willing accessory to torture, mass murder and treason. Thus, he is not better or worse than the other candidates. Any one of them can fiddle while our empire burns.[COOL]
  • nobullthinker said 7 months ago
    Or you could join us in the real world and recognize that the 'empire' is trying to put an end to world-wide torture and mass murder.
  • bumpedoff3 said 7 months ago
    The USA is famous for supporting dictators who resort to torture and murder every day of the week. When there is genocide, we look the other way.
  • pmcbrier said 6 months ago
    no, it seems that we are the ones being accused of it now. When you preach against those things loudly and for a long time, when you get caught with your pants down you get a lot more grief than others that do the same things. Torturing others only proves our enemies points that we are no more caring and moral than anybody else. Call it enhanced techniques or whatever you want, it's torture.
  • bumpedoff3 said 6 months ago
    With our preemptive war and our rendition program, we have taken our part to kill millions and to ruin life for millions more. The administration has subverted the democratic laws and institutions that guided us for 220 years.
    The USA virtually ignored genocide in Rwanda, Central African States, Iraq and Darfur.
    Considering the amount of damage we do to innocent civilians, we might do better bringing our troops home. If Ron Paul ended the supply of weapons to both sides in the civil wars, it would be a great step forward.
  • nobullthinker said 5 months ago
    Good God man! You can't possibly be an Israeli as you claim. The entire citizenry is armed there! And you want to talk about gun control? In the Middle East?! I don't know where your body resides but your head is ....
  • bumpedoff3 said 5 months ago
    I include this Israeli date time stamp [ comment by bumpedoff3 on November 30, 2007 8:03 PM (Israel Standard Time) [ reply ] ]
    Because we have a universal draft, most of us have had military weapons training. Our low murder rate verifies an armed citizenry is the key to fighting criminals and terrorists.
    Torture and rampaging mercenaries suppress ordinary citizens not terrorists.

  • centurion said 7 months ago
    My aversion to Mitt has nothing to do with either his Mormonism or my Catholicism. I don't find him credible.
  • nobullthinker said 7 months ago
    I didn't get into my political differences with Romney. He is a typical "go along to get ahead polititian", that's true. But what are you going to do? Giuliani is cut from the same cloth and as Huckabee is being revealed we're learning that he has some of the same qualities. You can't get to this point in the game if you have not compromised some of your principles along the way. That being the case I have to say that any one of the three I've mentioned are the best Presidential offerings since RR.
  • Ancient1 said 7 months ago
    Please, see comment above.
  • Ancient1 said 7 months ago
    Thomas,
    May I suggest we hire a bus a take a load of like-minded midwesrern voters to New Hampshire for the primary. Their laws will allow this and I suspect we could offset, at least, one of the buses brought in from other states by the democrats.

    By the way, I enjoyed your post.
  • nobullthinker said 7 months ago
    But it's only a primary. If the same rules applied in the general I might feel threatened by the Left's taking advantage N.H.'s lack of common sense voting rules. As it stands I'm pretty confident they won't be able to sneak Ron Paul in on us by the slimey tactic of 'legalized voter fraud'.
  • amerigobard said 6 months ago
    ....or how about something really radical like recognizing that BOTH parties are full of hot air and worthless ideas ... the Repugs are spending our money like it's going out of style (it is) AND the DemDumbs are whining about right-wing radio .... legalized bribery IS THE PROBLEM ... Both parties are good at defending this corrupt system .... Ron Paul gets my vote .... if Shawn CIA Handpuppet Hannity and CNN spinmeisters don't like a candidate, that's GOOD enough for me ... [OHMY]
  • amerigobard said 6 months ago
    both parties suck ..... [OHMY]
  • amerigobard said 6 months ago
    No Bull's site should be called Full O Bull's rant whine site in defense of legalized bribery and status quo misery .... [THUMBDOWN]


    RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL ...

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  • amerigobard said 6 months ago
    While I DO believe you would do better to become an independent ... and stop advocating the politicians who remain apologists for legalized political patronage, I do agree that Romney's Mormonism is irrelevant ... I do hope he loses in the primaries BECAUSE HE FAILS to stand up against legalized bribery and the military over-spending it creates ...

    NO BULL, as far as your comment about America putting an end to torture, how does waterboarding Iraqi nationals after rounding them up and giving them no trial, just HOW DOES THAT make the world more democratic?

    We now possess the technology to run our cars on hydrogen on demand, No Bull .... getting off the oil tit and letting the Middle-East learn how to deal with a post-oil economy is the way out of Bagdhad .... not increasing the violence in order to "create Peace" ....
  • nobullthinker said 5 months ago
    We'll have to have a long talk one of these days. Many of your questions contain presuppositions that are not relevant. You seem to think, for example, that I want the world to be more democratic. Actually I could not care less what form of government any nation adopts. All I care is that they adopt a live and let live policy to their neighbors. Islamists have vowed to convert us or kill us - and they have demonstrated their determination to do just that. Since they have made our choice 'them or us', I say F... them.

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